Back on the agenda

Clerk putting the purchase of his new software on the agenda for tonight’s council meeting before the council has had the studysession they asked for. Question why did the council chair allow this? The rest of the council want and voted to table it until the study session. How many of you think he’s going to get what he wants?

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43 thoughts on “Back on the agenda”

  1. Something that we should all keep in mind the clerks office has a separate budget just for elections. He has a staff just to work on elections this isn’t a couple of people either these employees are referred to as the “pitcrew.” They only do election work that includes absentee ballots so you see there is no excus for not having them out on time.

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  2. I am disappointed that the absentee ballots had not been mailed on time to our military personnel. I am not questioning the SOS report. In fact,thank you Linda for sharing the information and the link. As a military family and member of Michigan Military Moms, I received a letter the week of July 17th which prompted me to call and follow up. Which I did.

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  3. I made a follow up call the week of July 17-one week prior to Linda’s posting. Linda postedon July 28th. I asked about the City mailing out abenteee ballots to our military personnel. Inquiring if it had been done.

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  4. By whom were you reassured? Hopefully it wasn’t by the department that was listed as non compliant! If you check the link from Linda, you will see the City of Dearborn Heights listed as non compliant.

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  5. interesting. I did make a follow up call in regard to this subject-absentee ballots for our military, and was reassured it had been done ( on time??).

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  6. Are you kidding me? After all this hoopla that our Clerk has brought up, new system, new people, he then misses getting absentee military ballots out? Wonder what else he’s going to ask for now? Someone said he wants to run for Mayor. Does anyone know if this is true? Also, I want to state my position here and now. I believe that if you are on the council or hold a position, such as the Clerk, and you run for any other position and you lose, I don’t feel that you should be able to go back to your old position. I believe that if you lose, you LOST. Wow. I can’t believe I was so mistaken about who to vote for when the voting was open for the new clerk. Well my eyes are open now, Walt. As far as I’m concerned, you’re going to have to do something pretty amazing to keep my vote now. Don’t believe that’s going to happen. You’ve been nothing but a whiner and a complainer since taking office and then not to get the job done? It’s pretty obvious you’re out of your element.

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  7. Linda

    Was just thinking that maybe the city doesn’t have any military that have to have an absentee ballot at this time. I’d be interested in knowing if there are and if there are how many and why they weren’t sent out on time.

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  8. Thank you ————ASll I did was ask what all that was about.I got my answer. no reason to get out of hand, next time I wont use the blog I wll ask at the meeting.I did not mean for all this to get so out of hand like I said if there is something that do not understand that is being said I will ask at the proper time at the council meeting. Now this is the end of all this!!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. Marge: “Tell me, what is $2000 in the whole scheme of things?” Just keep using that justification. You can keep changing the dollar amount. You can use the amount for phone stipends, using city cars for personal use, the 10% pay cut by some city workers, and the reduction of workhours. To most of us $2,000 is a BIG deal! You wanted to appove the clerk’s request from the very beginning, even without an explanation.

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  10. Marge,
    I think “what we are not understanding” is how at 2 previous council meetings (June-July) there were comments which paraphrased are “great job on business license renewals…etc” (Bowling alley, Cariera’s…etc) How can the Clerks office be doing a great job one month and then DESPERATELY need software to function the next?

    What is the business analysis for doing this? When will a gain be seen to offset the purchase? Why was he going around the system to begin with and getting bids without the knowledge of council?. Why this system, what is rationale? Did he get 3 quotes and compare and contrast options for Council to view? What does Council require to approve purchases? Those are the things that I do not understand.

    The decision has been made. We all have to live with it now.

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  11. Oh, for pity’s sake. Everyone take a step back. Anxious has a right to his/her opinion but if you feel you are being treated wrongly, Councilwoman, then you have every right to ask Anxious to explain – but let’s not blow this out of proportion. I felt you explained in detail with your first response. So, Anxious, it’s up to you but it seems that everyone else is okay with what was said. It seems you misunderstood.

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  12. We were at the meeting also and we all see things in diferent ways. I respect yours and you can respect mine thank you

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  13. One more note- I am not quite sure what Anxious is referring to, as the note is vague and undesriptive,however, I am from a long line of military (career) family and was raised and did raise my own children by the Army Values which are:

    Loyalty, Duty, RESPECT, selfless, honor, integrity, and personal courage

    Please tell me exactly what I said which was disrespectful to Mrs. Marge Horvath. I am sure if you check with her, she can attest to the fact I DO RESPECT her and have told her so on many occassions. As always, if I did something out of line, I will stand corrected. I am not afraid to to do so or will hesitate to do so.

    I feel Anxious, you are being disrespectful, making such an accusation without providing substance to back it. Even our judicial allows the accused to face their accusor. I do agree every person should be able to express his or her opinions. Now you are attacking others’ characters and the very being of who they are and what they stand for.

    Respectfully Submitted,

    Lisa Hicks-Clayton
    Dearborn Heights Councilwoman

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  14. I attended the meeting and did not see rudeness on the part of either Council member Badalow or Hicks Claytons part. I think Janet speaks in a very direct manner and some people are not used to it or just don’t like it. Lisa HC only voted on the issue, and actually said very little. Both voted to take the issue to study session which would have allowed for all council members to have the same info and analyze it together instead of doing it last minute at the table, and very publicly. It was other council members to voted to resolve the issue without a study session. Which caused some back and forth discussions. Unfortunate that urgency on the part of some people made it appear speaking directly and quickly appeared rude.

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  15. it is always better to go directly to the source and get your answer- you can always call me at 313-633-1845.

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  16. Dear Anxious,

    First and foremost, please review the history behind the motion and understand I did not challenge the motion, or was disrespectful to Marge or any member of our Council. The original motion as submitted read Marge as DELEGATE and Lisa Hicks-Clayton as ALTERNATE. Those are two different positions. This motion was in order due to the vacancy created when Margy VanHouten resigned from Council, creating a vancancy as a DELEGATE position. Marge was the alternate when Margy was the DELEGATE. Therefore, Marge wanted to move into the DELEGATE position and the ALTERNATE position was vacated. Our Council posted the ALTERNATE vacancy. I was the ONLY Council member to apply for the ALTERNATE(not the DELEGATE). Again, I did not challenge the motion which was Marge Horvath as DELEGATE and Lisa Hicks-Clayton as ALTERNATE – two totally different positions. I spoke with Marge in regard to this, out of my concern, and I will not and cannot put words in another’s mouth ,but Marge does not feel I insulted her or was disrespectful. Maybe attention and displeasure should be addressed to the parties which questioned the original motion??

    As far as the elderly/ age issue , please take under consideration visit and meet with our elderly/senior residents EVERY week. I address their concerns and questions. Share resources. I sponsor programs for the elderly and youth in the Dearborn Heights Commmunity. I am a member of our Commission on Aging and founder of the Senior Care Program. I would summize I am very respectful and appreciative of our elderly/senior population.

    Respectfully,

    Lisa Hicks-Clayton
    Dearborn Heights Councilwoman

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  17. I would like to know why Janet and Lisa did what they did to Mrs Horvath at the last council meeting . Can someone explain why be so rude and insulting to someone that has worked so hard for the city in all thos yrs. Oh!!!!! I forgot she is geting old so I gues it is time for her to move into her old life,bur I never notice her sleeping on the job.She is respectfull to everyone there and all I hear is rudeness

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  18. Nothing makes council women Horvath look bad.She did not put us in the hole.Please get the proper information before saying things like that. Stement that are wrong causes alot of problems

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  19. When BS&A *IS* ready, will we use it then? And will the City still have the opportunity to be a beta test site (which means that changes can be made to meet the City’s needs)?

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  20. I am not understanding what all of you are not understanding. BS&A promised something almost two years ago and still nothing. Now it could be 4th qtr 2012. Again, no guarantee.

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  21. Trying to watch the city council meeting for July 10 and the video is horrible. It breaks up constantly and is unwatchable. I have Comcast by the way, is anyone else having the same issue??

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  22. Let’s remember to make sure that the money that was borrowed from other departments (especially the Water Department) to embellish the General Fund is paid back on schedule, with interest, by September 1st.

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  23. Dear Anxious,

    I am displeased at hearing your position. I would love to meet with you and discuss your concerns. I understand your frustrations, as we all experience frustrations from time to time. Of course, I support every person expressing his or her opinions. However, can we accomplish more if we choose to work together? I offer weekly office hours and would love to discuss your concerns. I remain dedicated to serving our public. Currently, I meet with residents weekly, complete drive arounds and work with our Building Department to resolve blight issues in our City, proposing a dog ordinance which will is more comprehensive and is proactive -vs- reactive, working with neighborhoods to build neighborhood watch/community awareness programs, keeping safety of our residents a priority and working on a grant application for our City to brikng a ferel cat program and mobile vet spaying/neutering clinic to our residents at a nominal charge. All our issues we face.

    In closing, your concerns are important. As a voter, you will always have the opportunity to decide what candidate will best serve our needs. I encourage you to feel free to contact me anytime.

    (I apologize to others- I am sure there are those who do not wish to read this…however, I felt compelled to respond and be available to Anxious).

    Respectfully,

    Lisa Hicks-Clayton
    Dearborn Heights Councilwomane

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  24. I want to state again. We requested information, but not for a study session, and we got it. What was BS&A going to tell us? They MAY have the program by the 4th quarter? They state in their letter to Councilwoman Badalow that the reason for the delay in coming up with a program is “THE CITY WAS TOLD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO THAT BL.NET (business license) WOULD BE READY BY SPRING OF 2012. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE HAD A FEW OTHER APPLICATION PRIORITIES COME TO THE FOREFRONT AND THAT WAS NOT DONE”. They have been promising this program for two years. They don’t say the fourth quarter is for sure. They are working on it. They project that it could be the fourth quarter. If it’s not then we go to the first quarter of ’13, then maybe the second quarter of ’13. In the meantime we are losing money because we are behind in the business licensing process. Folks, we are 5M in the hole. Tell me, what is $2000 in the whole scheme of things?

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  25. Marge,
    I agree with the actions of Lisa Hicks Clayton and Janet Badalow. A study session was needed to evaluate request. With IT experts. No analysis on productivity or what it means to be on 2 systems was discussed. Now, the option for all departments to share data electronically has been eliminated. I suspect the only option will be to BUY middleware or that data sharing will now be manual. With 3 elections in the next 4 months a new system for business licenses will not be the highest priority in the Clerk’s office. So why not wait until Dec and see if BSA has a product to implement. Dearborn saying it’s ok is not the same as a committment to train and support it. Specific IT questions needed to asked and answered and they were not.

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  26. Dear Suzanne,

    I do not have “political interest.” I have and will continue to be a public servant, serving our community. I have served commmunities for 26 years. I am always available to discuss your concern via e-mail at hicksclayton4dhcitycouncil@yahoo.com or feel free to attend a weekly scheduled office hour :

    Mondays, 9 a..m. at Berwyn
    Tuesdays,10 a.m. at Eton
    Wednesdays, 4 p.m. at I-Hop (Tele/Ford)
    Thursdays, 4 p.m. at Richard Young Center

    Or anytime which may be convenient for you.

    In closing, it is my goal to deliver on the oath I took in December, to do what is in the best interest of OUR City and OUR residents.

    Respectfully,

    Lisa Hicks-Clayton
    Dearborn Heights Councilwoman

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  27. I wish to clarify a statement made in my comment…use my broom was intended for use on myself as a council member if I am not doing what I am charged with doing under the oath I have taken. (not for anyone else-as I am accountable for my actions not others).

    It has been brought to my attention that our Council asked the clerk to bring the information requested forward, however, not via a study session. I apologize, what I stated was what I took away from the meeting.

    The information provided does indicate RAV will cost the City less than B S & A. The City has made and signed a purchase agreement with B S & A and made the first payment. B S & A does have a higher price tag. The B S & A program was agreed upon by Council in December, 2011. It was suggested to bring the departments together, leading to an increase in effieciency. However, B S & A has reported the business license program will be avialable in December, 2012. The program our Clerk’s office is using now, it has been reported to be ineffective.

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  28. Can he be recalled? He is verry incecure and needs to grow up plus he is just stuck on his self.All he talks about to people is how much he has done when is only the job we are paying him to do

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  29. So what happened with this? I read where it was supposed to have been put on the July 10th Agenda. I’m surprised there are no postings telling us what was decided.

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  30. What a jerk! What is he holding over the heads of the council members to make them vote in favor of his lamebrain ideas? He is absolutely inadequate in this position. What did he do when he worked at the County? Fill potholes with ashphalt?

    I am furious at the waste of time & money by this man. If I were one of the department heads I would absolutely freeze him out & refuse to speak to him or work with him. I guess that would play into his “poor me, everyone is against me because they’re jealous of my superiority” attitude. It would also drop them to his level, so I guess it’s not a good idea. But it sure would make me feel good.

    So many people in city hall are working very hard trying to serve the residents of this city, trying to find ways to be more resourceful and do more with less, trying to work together to accomplish what needs to be done. And that makes me livid at the thought of this man, sauntering around in his baseball, football or hockey jerseys that he frequently wears to work, accomplishing nothing and thumbing his nose at everyone else.

    I only pray that in a few years he becomes an UNelected official and we no longer have him being a liability to the city instead of the asset someone in that position could be.

    City Council should be ashamed of themselves for allowing him to wander unfettered wreaking havoc with everything in his path.

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  31. Are you kidding me! Did he really get it?!!! Unbelievable!!!!!. Why are we paying council salaries (granted they are not much) for everything to be rubber-stamped as approved.

    I will NEVER vote to raise my taxes again because the council and the mayor are using that money from the Headlee Override to advance their own political interests and not the best interests of the city. What a bunch of skunks.

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  32. I did ask to table, as did Councilwoman Badalow, and move it it study session at Tuesday’s, July 10th, meeting.(someone speak up…two of us did…) We were out voted. We requested information via a study session which did not happen. Information was presented in our packet, but I would prefer to discuss it in session with experts sharing professional opinions and answering our questions. I would like to make decisions based on sound information and facts. If you would like to use my broom , please call me. I will stand by my action.

    Respectfully Submitted,

    Lisa Hicks-Clayton
    Dearborn Heights Coucnilwoman

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  33. bitsy08, who is we? We did not move to put it to a study session. We said that we wanted an opinion from Dearborn, who does our IT work now, and we got it. They had no problem with getting the program because BS&A still had no program compatable with what the clerk,s office needs. Their projection is possibly 4th quarter, but as they stated in their communication, if something more important comes to them they will again put that particular program on the back burner AGAIN.

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  34. It is time that all this stops. Get rid of them all. This council and the council chair need to go and we need to start all new

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  35. What the heck is going on? How many people get to run over the council and get away with it? If it’s on the agenda, why can’t someone on the council speak up and say – I thought we had agreed to take this to a study session? If this bozo gets this software, we need to seriously think about brooming whomever we can on the council – AND THE MAYOR – and replace them with someone new.

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