An Insult Disguised as a Plan..

The Mayors Plan not the deficit reduction plan, this plan does not address the deficit from last year… The mayor does not plan on submitting a deficit reduction plan to the council until sometime mid-January. One council member did come to the meeting last night with some ideas to cover the cuts. That would be councilwoman Badlow. No surprise the mayor was not willing to have anything to do with it.  The city has to come up with 2.0 million for next year’s budget and 2.1 million borrowed form restricted water funds that must be paid back. Not including the deficit from last year.

Look below and see what the Mayor came up with pay close attention to revenue from the justice department +$200, 00.00. From where do you think that is going to come from? At the same time he is cutting police overtime by $200,000.00. I think all of us are well aware of the coalition between overtime and traffic tickets. There is 10% from the police officers the administration still has not successfully negotiated that. Has this administration learned nothing? Last year’s budget fell short on revenue from the justice department. If you notice health care no savings. The mayor based this year’s budget (passed by the council) on health care savings. The mayor said over and over again that the council had to approve the contracts because of the savings in health care the city would get. Has this administration learned nothing from the past? Stop putting numbers that are not realistic. Stop using maybe’s and funny accounting to make the numbers work.  Stick with the facts at hand. Expect the worst and if the city fairs better great, but stop with the fast and loss with the numbers. Councilwoman Horvath said what I’m sure all were thinking “looking at these numbers I do not believe you.” Let’s be honest it’s not the Mayors fault he has done it this way for so long and gotten his way why change now. Looking at this “Plan” if I were on council I would be insulted as a taxpayer I sure am.

The Treasure talked about Cash Flow or the lack of. Last year the city borrowed 9.7 million this year it’s expected to be 13.4 million and the city will start borrowing next month. I hope the council will look at councilwoman Badlows ideas as councilman Berry said “I may not agree with all of them, but at least she did something.” I agree you do not have to like them, but they are a starting point for the council. Tweak them, expand on them. Just remember you are the one’s that control the budget.

Action Plan
23-Nov-11
2011-2012 2011-2012
Adopted Amended
REVENUES Budget Budget
Property Taxes 19,372,496 19,372,496
State Shared Revenue 4,094,700 4,754,700
Court Revenue 2,800,000 2,200,000
Reimbursements Other Funds 4,125,000 3,725,000
Other Revenue 5,968,450 5,968,450
REVENUES TOTAL 36,360,646 36,020,646
EXPENSES
Elected 968,917 952,909
Public Safety 16,024,706 16,067,422
Finance and Admin 752,021 653,838
Building Maintenance 890,839 816,687
Building Engineering 566,926 484,922
Recreation 989,347 970,647
Commission 43,300 43,300
Health Care 4,982,837 5,659,330
Other Fringes 1,801,029 2,001,029
Pensions 3,344,972 3,344,972
Sanitation 3,400,000 3,340,000
General Government 2,595,752 2,595,752
36,360,646 36,930,808
Surplus/(Deficit) 0 (910,162)
Action Plan
Addition Court Revenue 200,000
Police Overtime Reduction 200,000
Court Staff Reduction 85,000
10% Police, Dispatcher (1/2 Year) 275,000
Early Out Retirement 180,000
Total Savings 940,000
Net Savings 29,838
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121 thoughts on “An Insult Disguised as a Plan..”

  1. Bitsy,
    City hall has been cut to the bone. How many more jobs can one person do? From the things I have heard, city hall is a mess. People cannot get the work done anymore. Things are piling up. Administration cannot cut any more employees. They need to think of something else other than cutting people from working there. Do you think each department can function with one or two people. IMPOSSIBLE!!!!! Take a look at other cities and how many employees that have in each department. Dearborn Heights is laughable. They do not have enough employees to keep the city running. Eventually things are going to fall apart.

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  2. Who started this Janet bashing? Who ever it is enough is enough.Is there something she knows about what is going on and someone is in fear of her. I want for her to be left alone and do the job we elected her to do. Some people are using this blog just to insult certain people and I dont think that this was meant to be like this.O.K you all have had your say about her now get of of this subject it has become borring.All of you have made your point and now go on with your lives .

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  3. You know what pisses me off oh many things but one is the fact that I spent two years going to council meetings. Study sessions, even budget meetings. Maybe saw Ned at 3 I spend hours getting information, I was getting the council packets long before they came online studied them did research on what ever I did not understand. He has been there one year and still has not taken the opportunity to do the one on one meetings with the various vendors in the city. As has been said many times at council meetings. The Voters Have Spoken.

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  4. Thank You.. Councilwoman Horvath has taken him to task in the past.. They just need to stand together as a body stop bring their personal dislikes for one another to the council table leave that shit at the door. The council needs to get a “set” sorry guys this city is in trouble it does not need everyone holding hands with the Mayor singing “Kumbaya.”

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  5. I don’t think that’s the case at all. People vote for the name of the person who was in the position before – unless he’s doing a really bad job. It’s been my experience that people in our city (at least the majority) don’t seem to do due diligence. To not be a fan is one thing but not good people? Boy. You guys are really rough. As far as I can see, she’s the ONLY council member who does anything and speaks up. Where are the rest of them? If we had more Janet’s, our illustrious mayor wouldn’t have gotten away with all the CR – – he’s pulled and continues to pull.

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  6. In the work market today, Simplicity, it doesn’t matter what their job duties are. People are laid off to save the company (city) money and others have to suck it up and take on more responsibility. Now, according to Kathy, these are elected positions so we can’t let them go. But if we could, that would by my vote.

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  7. Wow. I hate to “assume” but is this by any chance Ned Apigian? If so, AT LEAST HE SPEAKS UP AND SPEAKS HIS MIND – NED! And he’s not paid to do it. Perhaps instead of complaining you should take lessons from him.

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  8. Number 1….. We need a Mayor to do his job he got elected for.Number 2…. we need a council to stop atcing like little kids and get together.Number 3…. We need the police officers crime in my area north of ford east of beech daly is bad.I just bought a hand gun. Does that tell you something..This city is starting to look like Detroit Heights..Sorry i have to agree with the person that calls this place Detroit Heights.Number 4 ….I hate people that kiss ass to the mayor on the council Ned, Tom and Marge and number one kiss ass and good bye was Aguis. .

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  9. Lisa Hicks Clayton proves you can be a professional out spoken positive thinker and gain the publics trust. Never heard a bad word spoken about her. The exact opposite of big bad angry Janet.

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  10. Ray
    Big deal you use your own name. Apparently you don’t care that people think you are a loud mouth at the council meetings complaining about the same things over and over.

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  11. I have met her and talked with her many subjects besides the city stuff. She is very personable. Like her very much.

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  12. Okay called councilwoman Badalow to see if she got paid to do this.. Found myself very embarrassed that I even had to make the call. She was ringing the bell for the Salvation Army as a Kiwanis club member. Not getting paid like her or not that is your opinion she is my friend and I’m proud to have her as my friend. Janet agonizes over this city and it’s future as do many on the council anyone who has bothered to take the time to talk with her would know that.

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  13. Private –

    You don’t know the newest member of council. Lisa Hicks Clayton is a member of Goodfellows in Dearborn Heights and sold those for a weekend to. Also volunteers as a leader for children’s choir, is a board member of her sub-divisions association and a member of Kiwanis club and Military Moms. Very active and knowledable about school programs as she was employed in education. Not just politics with this lady – she is committed to community activism and was doing it long before she decided to run for council. She believes we should all share our God given gifts.
    If you see her out in the community introduce yourself and get to know her – she’s “good people”.

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  14. I agree, A real charitable person would ring a bell in another city and not where they do Politics. Politicians like to do these things so people see them. She’s just compaigning for the future. I doubt she’d do it otherwise!

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  15. Kathy,
    Timmy is correct. Some bell ringers are paid. It is a minimum wage job. The Salvation Army is non-profit so of course it’s preferable to have volunteers – more money to serve the people and less to expenses. But is is true, in some stations its is a paying job.

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  16. Our police officers and firefighters are out there every year in the cold, snow, rain 8-10 hours collecting money for Goodfellows. They were just out collecting a couple weeks ago, but I don’t see or hear anything about them just a lot of complaining about what they have. It was nice of her to ring a bell, but for me it doesn’t say anything and I believe it is just politics.

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  17. anonymous48125,
    YOU need to check where YOUR words are coming from. There HAS been promotions within the fire department. Do you have any clue what you’re talking about, or are you just a bored blogger?

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  18. It can’t be easy now a days on city council. I know Janet and can say that she truly is a caring, sweet person. However, she is no push over. If you have a bone to pick with her, its seems to be personal. She has more community service hours put in, than all of us I bet. Her time is precious, like all of ours, but she always finds the time.

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  19. Private,
    What planet are you living on? 6 promotions in the FD? Exactly what promotions are those? Again, talking out of someplace other than your mouth!

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  20. Where did you get the idea that a pump operator is a supervisor? They are the engineers that drive and operate the fire trucks (ie. control water, hoses etc.) They are NOT supervisors.

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  21. Ray

    It’s all true how many times on this blog did I write about the State of the City bull shit that he was feeding us. To many lies and they are still coming. Hell they did not even miss a step and this administration is right back at it. Just look at the Mayors plan that in all likely hood the council will vote for. When will it end?

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  22. Molly, Janet is not mean to ANYONE! Janet gets treated poorly by the mayor’s yes people because she stands up to him. She may not do it the way you may want her to do it but at least she does it. She voted against the mayors budget the last few years because it was not a good budget. Who else voted no? She was standing up for all of us and no one cared to hear her. Now look at where this city is, BROKE. Not long ago at the state of the city meeting we were told that this city was not like all of the other cities around us, that we were fine and going to be even better, what happened in such a short time. Janet was telling us the truth all along that we were in deep trouble. I don’t blame her for being angry, I am too. To many lies by so few have brought this city to it’s knees, for what? A little power, look at me I’m a mayor or ATTM or council person or a mayor wannabe.

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  23. Nerv has nothing to do with it, you are a tax payer, you can stand up and speak about whats on your mind, it’s your right to do so. Hope to meet you at the meetings.

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  24. I agree with everything you’ve said Ray and actually have said quite a bit of it myself. I’m hoping that after the holidays I can start attending the meetings. I’m also hoping I have the nerve to stand up and ask some hard questions and make a statement about what’s been going on.

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  25. I know what kind of person Janet is that is the reason I defend her every chace I get when al these people bash her for no reason. If all the ones that say the things they do . Learn to know her talk to her face to face you would understand that she cares about this city but everyone listend to the gabage that was spread around when she was running for clerk.

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  26. Incoming Council member Lisa Hicks Clayton also rang the bell with the assistance of her 2nd grade daughter. These are the extra efforts show how committed these ladies are to all our residents.

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  27. Here are 3 ideas that I have….

    1. I don’t think that an administrative assistant is not needed in the mayors office, but maybe another with more people skills should be considered.

    2. There has been talk about merging with the city of Dearborn for the IT issue. That would be a HUGE cost saving for our city. That pathetic company that is raping the city now has made a fortune off the city. Has anybody every looked at the bills? Absolutely outrageous.

    3. Make all of the supervisors in the PD go back on the road. Then they could eliminate the new hires. In my opinion, there is no need for so many supervisors. Has anybody looked at how many captains, lieutenants and sergeants there are? The PD is extremely top heavy! There would be no need for any layoffs that would cause a shortage. Replace the supervisors with the new hires, since they are going to be laid off anyway (according to Eddie G.)

    I am not an expert on the internal workings of the city, but these seem to be absolutely obvious!

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  28. Many have enjoyed taking some shots at councilwoman Badalow in the past week. Just thought I should share with you what she was doing on Saturday. Standing out in the cold out side Kroger ringing the bell for the Salvation Army. Now I don’t know about you but that say’s a lot about her character. How many of us can say we have done that? Not me so next time you want to take a shot at her please remember that.

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  29. I read all of the blogs and sometimes I can’t believe what I am reading. Some people hide behind a name they give to themselves so no one knows who they are, at least I don’t. I go to most of the council meetings and I know who on the council is for the people. Marge H. has fought for us in the past so has Margret Van Houghton and Janet. Those three have asked the hard questions and fought the mayor about his budget for 3 years. Now Marge has turned against Janet. I still like all 3 of them but I do think Janet is getting a raw deal from some of you. As much respect I have for Ken he sometimes comes across to me as soft when it comes to face to face with the mayor in public, I don’t know how he is in his private meetings. As far as Ned goes, well he needs to go, a man who ran on his education, well I won’t go there. Now we come to Tom, what can I say, he sat on his hands and voted with the mayor for all of his first term and most of his second. Now he knows the mayor most likely will not be re-elected so he is going on his own and wants to be mayor. Wake up folks this city is going south fast. Lets get rid of ATTM, he does not need one, get rid of ALL lifetime bennys for elected personal, if anything cut their retirement money by %60 with no health care. Most of them have it from some where else like the mayor has with FOMOCO. Get rid of HUD houses, we don’t need them or the little money we get from the feds. the money we spend on all nsp house is crazy and it only puts the money in the pockets of the good ol boys if you know what I mean. I am no expert on how to run a city or its budget but most of the council and the mayor don’t no either. At least Janet gave some ideas which was far more than the rest of them had.

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  30. My 3 suggestions….ok….5:

    1.) Get interns from U o fM School of Public Policy or Public Health to analyze Sr. Center issues. What program, offerings are available in the local community from churches and organizations that are duplicates. Combine where it makes sense. Close both buildings. Sell where possible.
    2.) Do same analysis for parks and recreation – cut duplicate program. Spend money on operating parks for all citizens.
    3.) Obtain and review metrics on lifesaving in Fire Dept. Do not cut fire fighters – but consider outsourcing the lifesaving to private company. If in analysis it makes sense.
    4.) Downsize Mayors staff of assistants. For those who dislike ATTM – remember he, as well as other “department heads” without a unionized dept. will choose who he downsizes. But it is fair that this department share the pain.
    5.) Do a complete review of the IT situation. Who is the point person for improvements they are planning this year? I went to study sessions. City is receiving bids for support services – yet they don’t know what they will be supporting! Yes, you read that right. No details defined and agreed re: hardware and infrastructure. No details on cost and operation or how to fund…capital? expense? lease…will the lease be operational or capital….etc? Need project management on something this large – who is point person? A good project manager can save a lot of expensive mistakes.

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  31. Get your facts straight,

    I probably forgot more about the workings within the FD then you will ever know so yes I do know what I am talking about and that is why I am upset. Everyday 8 out of the 10 firemen that work are supervisors and that is not including the chief, deputy chief, inspector or marshal, I understand that we need the FD, but with crime on the rise the city is actually promoting firemen and talking about 18 layoffs within the PD….in my opinion we need more police officers then supervisors within the FD. I guess that I am not mad at the firemen, but at the city and council for allowing all these promotions within the FD. We have more supervisors in the FD then we do firefighters. I agree with several of the other postings and the city should actually look into privatizing the FD.

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  32. Private,
    Do you know what each of the jobs entail for the ranks you mention in the fire department? Are you even aware of the fact that they run fire AND rescue? Did you know that often times the fire truck AND staff are on runs at the very same time that the rescue is on a completely different run? Do you think you can fight a fire with one 2 or 3 people? For heaven’s sake, stop talking out of your behind! Do you know what a pump operator does?
    Maybe if you thought and or listened before you spoke, you’d know some of the answers to these questions. You’d also know that just because Janet has a family member of the fire dept does NOT mean she shows them any favors, perhaps the opposite…..

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  33. Great idea, except people that don’t know the inner workings of the city, have no clue what employees are needed and who should go. Before everyone goes firing the “deputies”, maybe you should check out what their job duties are first. Also, check to see if there is any room in the justice center for city hall to even move there. Not a bad idea, but it may not be workable.

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  34. bitsy08

    Just wondering how long do you think before we get hit with a new library millage it’s coming. Not to mention school bond/millage and when do you think the mayor will come to us to up Public Safety that line item on our tax bill that was much discussed at the town hall meeting. I like your ideas except for the deputy eliminations. I truly beleive we need our deputy Treasurer I shudder to think who would be put in that spot if the Treasurer left. Don’t forget that’s an elected position anyone hired would be hired by the voters.

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  35. Since the library is on its own, we can’t touch that.
    1) Look into moving city hall to the Justice Center
    2) Close Eton and only leave the other senior center open 3 days/week.
    3) Recreation to be open only on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday.
    4) Look into eliminating future health care for the Council Chair.
    5) If we have a Deputy Treasurer and a “deputy” in the Rec Dept, let them go. If the actual Treasurer or the head of the Rec Dept. quit, then we hire someone else. In this market, I don’t see anyone quitting a viable job.

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  36. Lisa F

    Thank you I asked that of a blogger here I think last week or early this week. Very good idea come on everyone what ever idea you have does not matter what it is would love to here them.

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  37. Private

    I can not believe for one minute that our fire chief would pad stats come on now. That man is very hard working and after seeing him during his budget meeting last year. He comes up with all kinds of ways to save money in that department. The fire department and police department apply for and receive many grants.

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  38. This is clearly the hottest issue on the blog. What I’d like to hear is 3 ideas from each blogger on what you would recommend to get the budget in line? The idea of this blog is to have a voice – let’s use it for something besides complaining to each other and about each other.

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  39. DrHeights48127,
    I understand that rules must be followed and we must maintain firefighters, but it does not say that we must maintain all supervisors within the fire department. It is crazy the number of supervisors within the FD and the number of supervisors that we must have on each shift. How many fire’s do they actually respond too and do not include the rescue runs that they use to pad stat’s.

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  40. I took that information right off the city’s website. And I didn’t put up a salary for a deputy police chief, only fire.

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  41. Private

    There are rules that have to be followed set by the state and federal government. These standards must be followed in order to have a fire station. Right now the city is short on fire staff the city needs to hire.

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  42. Sean,
    Interesting, but you need to update…….the police lost 2 captain positions never filled a deputy chief and not sure if they lost any lieutenants or sergeants and the officers are doing the DPW animal controls job and jail duties. Fire department recently had 6 promotions including a deputy chief. Why do we need so many bosses within the FD. 2 FD stations everyday we have a captain, lieutenant, 2 pump operators (equal sergeants) and 1 firefighter thats at each station. My question is WHY so many bosses?

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  43. Crazylegs:

    You toss out inflammatory statements as if they are factual. There have been other workers/supervisors/department heads who have been discharged. Does their discharge disparage the reputation of the person who took their place? I think you’re on a slippery slope with your statement about the deputy treasurer.

    How do you know if the Clerk’s office needs a deputy clerk? Has the Clerk shared his staffing needs with you? How do you know the park/rec and treasurer’s deputy are not qualified or if they are needed? Have the heads of those departments shared their staffing needs with you? My guess would be no, they have not.

    You say further – “All you BAD-a-low lovers keep following her down the path to disaster when there are no families left in the city to use the parks and rec department……..” – is that the same parks/rec department you think doesn’t need a deputy to run it efficiently?

    There is no continuity in your statements.

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  44. Another simplistic statement. The mayor is going to keep the entire department of parks and rec because he is “buddies” with the husband of the deputy, the fire department won’t be cut because Janet has a brother in the department, and the
    the deputy treasurer is only there because she is married to the mayor’s “right hand man”? Seriously? Seriously? Have you any idea how outrageous those statements are? I’m not a fan of the mayor, but would never accuse him of such absurdities.

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  45. What a simplistic statement. If people pay by mail or drop it off or pay out of an escrow acount, do those payments process themselves? Does the reconcliation process involved in handling all the money collected by the department magically appear? Your comment shows you know nothing about bookkeeping.

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  46. I did not vote for that either as I knew what would be going on nothing will change and by the way there are a couple of council people that are yes men to the mayor and I am sure we all know who they are,Janet is not and look how she is treated. You know though all this will be bought out in the open and then shame on them.

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  47. Anxious,
    It’s all about who your friends with or who your related to!
    The Rec Dept won’t be cut because the Mayor is buddies with Bob Constan and won’t layoff his wife.
    The Fire Department won’t be cut because Janet’s brother would be effected.
    The Deputy Treasurer won’t be cut because she is married to Ed Garcia who by the way is still the Mayor’s right hand man even though he was fired. It’s all political.

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  48. The deputy treasure is a very honest and kind person. As a matter of fact that whole department is full of friendly, professional hard working people. That department is one of most efficiently run in the city. Even thinking about cutting the deputy treasure from the city is the same as cutting off your nose despite your face.

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  49. crazy legs,

    You sound more and more like someone with a personal dislike for the deputy treasurer. Why don’t you come clean and admit it. I can’t believe you’ve never met the “so-called deputy treasurer”.

    The fact that the previous deputy embezzeled money has absolutely no bearing on the current deputy. To link those two people in such a manner comes awfully close to defamation of character for the current deputy. You want to imply that being a felon is a required qualification for the job? I don’t believe that you really think that, but, again, the statement belies the personal nature of your rant against the deputy treasurer.

    As for your comment about the clerk’s office, the jury’s still out on whether the new clerk needs a deputy or not. He hasn’t been on the job long enough to evaluate his performance or the performance of the unit as a whole.

    It’s very easy to make statements about what should or should not be retained in the city’s staffing. However, until you know what the job entails or all of the functions of the unit (not just the ones that are most visible to the public), you ought to identify your statements as the personal attacks they are.

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  50. Interesting post, crazy legs. It seems that you are focused on the deputy directors. Why is that? They are just supervisors with a different title than other supervisory positions with the city. Let’s compare their salary with other supervisor’s positions. Let’s start with the two that you are so concerned about:

    Deputy treasurer – $54,200 and Deputy parks and recreation – $59,400. These positions total $113,650.

    Now let’s see what other departments spend on their supervisors:

    Building & Maintenance: supervisor – $54,221.86 & leader – $49,573.47
    Police: Chief – $96,324.94, 3 captains – $158,355.86, 6 lieutenants – $439,882.62, 16 sergeants – $1,091,251.36
    Fire: Chief – $86,569.18, deputy chief – $78,491.40, 6 captains $438,716.22 and 6 lieutenants – $420,809.40
    DPW Highway: Director – $82,500.00 and superintendent – $54,221.86

    YOU DO THE MATH.

    Maybe you should focus your rant on other supervisors that are paid plenty more and departments that have more than necessary.

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  51. Crazy,

    First you refer to the deputy treasurer as “so called” and then you say that they are “just another clerical worker”. How do you know? You’re making is sound more and more like it’s personal. Did they beat you out for the job? I do believe civil service requires a testing and interviewing process. Sounds fair to me. How do you know they don’t have a masters degree in finance, since you’ve “ever even met the so-called deputy treasurer”? (your words.) Find out what their qualifications are and how long they’ve worked at the city if you’re so concerned about this position.

    Let’s address your qualification question; if they worked at the city already or even in the department, the who else would be better? Also, just because the former deputy was arrested (from what I remember from the paper, for taking $200 or so) for embezzling, doesn’t mean that the current one will. If you really want to meet the “so called deputy treasurer”, show up at city hall. Every time I go in there, people are very nice and helpful. I’m sure they will be happy to meet with you if that’s what you want. But, I still can’t figure out what meeting them would actual do. They’re not elected. They’re not a public figure like the elected officials are.

    Every department in the city is important. The other deputies were eliminated when they retired. As for the fire deputy (as posted by others) there is one in the process of being hired. And maybe the deputy parks and recreation director is important. It’s not her fault that they’re talking about eliminating the entire department. Again, that makes no sense. I think you’re talking about things you really know nothing about. I believe that others on here have completely blown your credibility. Deputy is just a title. Just like the many many other supervisors in the city. Call them what you want. Would it make you feel better if the deputy treasurer or deputy parks and recreation director were called supervisors? There are a ton of them. You are making assumptions on here and have failed to do your homework. Come back and post when you have some credible information!

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  52. We all knew when she ran for council and voted for her that she had one brother that is a fireman and so what ———she ha always voted in a fair manner. Why is there all this anger towards her all of a sudden? After all this time of her being on the council now it is a problem because her brother is a fireman we knew this from the beginning I just do not understand some of you. We need to be looking at what we can do to make this city work and turn around and look at the mayor as he was the one that knew this was happening and did not change things around or listen to the council and let all these workers with their cars and cell phones,it took how long for all that to stop—–the asst., to the mayor with her car and him with his car and bells and whistle,not owning a house here in the city ,not paying property tax not contributing to anything just taking and we are paying for it all.Janet did not do this she tried to stop it but now all of a sudden she is the bad guy please explain this to me,so condemn her for what

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  53. What, do you think the deputy treasurer goes door to door collecting money? People pay by mail or drop off or it is paid out of the escrow account. What do you think, now that there is not a deputy clerk that we count less votes on election day? Not a very intelligent comment.

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  54. The question should be, Molly – why aren’t you angry? If Janet is angry she has every right. NONE of the other people on the council have stood up to the mayor. I’m angry that the foolish citizens voted in the HO. I’m angry that the mayor has once again bypassed the charter and no one has done anything about it. I’m angry that he STILL hasn’t come up with a plan and won’t until January.

    And Crazy Legs, you keep bad-mouthing Janet. How ’bout putting that misplaced anger where it belongs. I’m not what you people call a “Janet Lover” but at least I can see that she’s the ONLY council member that’s at least trying to do something. I believe Tom Berry wants to run for mayor. Where’s he in all this? Has anyone heard anything from him?

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  55. Molly

    Your right she is angry and as should all 7 of them be. She is the only one who voted no on the last two budgets because she knew they would not balance. So yes she is angry and I wish the rest would get angry to.

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  56. The company is called Plante & Moran and the study was done before 7 police officers either retired or ceased employment.

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  57. What qualifications does the current deputy treasurer have to take over for the current? I recall 2 years ago when the qualified deputy treasurer was arrested by our police department for embezzling OUR TAX DOLLARS. Great qualifications to be a deputy. The current deputy treasurer is just another clerical worker who put in for the job after the felon was arrested. You all bashed Walt as the Clerk but he does not have or need a deputy. Are you saying the clerk’s office is not an important department? You talk out of both sides of your mouth. As for the parks and rec deputy……..come on and get real. If THAT was such an important position, why is there talk of eliminating the WHOLE department? All you BAD-a-low lovers keep following her down the path to disaster when there are no familes left in the city to use the parks and rec department because good families move to safe areas, not cities with half the police officers on the street as there was 3 years ago. Lets just merge with Inkster…they laid off a bunch of cops too!!!!

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  58. Earl – The NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) has guides and codes. Their website is public. Additionally there are many good work papers and studies on this issue found on the web. The one written for Yonkers, New York during their budget process is especially good.

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  59. From what I’ve been able to glean from doing research on a Financial Manager taking control of the city, I believe the mayor wouldn’t even be around and the state would have reopened the contracts and probably done away with the contract the police got. What I continue to find apalling is that a lot of you believe the council would step in and actually do something. Just like the mayor, if they didn’t step up before, what make you believe they’ll step up now?

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  60. Anxious,

    I have no idea what you are talking about….
    I always have been for the police and fire and do not want to see any of them cut, but I do not understand how they can promote within the fire department and talk about laying off police officers. The fire department has more bosses then firefighters all of whom are still receiving holiday, longevity and LALS bonus paychecks and with rank comes bigger bonus checks.
    And yes I do believe that Janet likes to hear herself talk and she should not vote on the firemens contract since she has family working for them. I never referred to her opinion on the HO.

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  61. Yes, Why is it that Janet is so mean to others during the Council meetings. Sometimes she makes me cringe when she talks. This really turns people off. She’s losing alot of support. She comes off as a very angry person and attacks her enemies with a vengance!

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  62. Vegas Lady: Finally someone has the name right. It’s PLANTE and Moran, people. And if we’re going to pay them to do a job, then for God’s sake – listen to them. P&M has a great reputation and has been around for years.

    Once again, Janet Badalow is the ONLY council member who came with ideas. Let’s not belittle her for at least trying. Not surprising that some of you don’t like her ideas. AT LEAST SHE HAS IDEAS! You know what they say – you can please some of the people….

    Lisa, you said: we didn’t vote any city council member to just play it safe and ensure their position in the next election – we invited them to think critically and run the city. Really? And can you tell me then, why Ned Apigian was re-elected? BECAUSE PEOPLE DON’T DO ANY RESEARCH. This guy has been the mayor’s yes-man from the get go. It would seem to me that anyone who voted for the same people who were on the council before the election shouldn’t be surprised by their inaction. Once again the mayor has bypassed the Charter and did they do anything about it? I don’t believe so. I haven’t seen anything about it on this blog nor have I read anything about it in the papers. He’s still up to his old tricks. Did you people really think he was going to change if you voted in the HO? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. Shame on you who voted for the HO to think it would change our mayor.

    Anon2 – you said: If you think both of these departments can do without a deputy then it would also seem you would want to reduce the supervisors in the police and fire departments. Further, using your logic, then the mayor doesn’t need an assistant either. While I don’t agree with Crazy Legs statements, I do agree with your premise that “then the mayor doesn’t need an assistant either.” Wow! If we could get rid of her that would be a BIG plus for the city. This woman is a big negative for the city. She has only a high school education and yet she’s an ASSISTANT TO THE MAYOR. She had a citizen arrested because he wanted to sit in the inner office to wait for the mayor and she wanted him to sit outside. Have you ever called the Mayor’s office and been unlucky enough to get her? She’s about as rude and unprofessional as they come. Even the former mayor advised Paletko to get rid of her.

    One other thing I wanted to mention. I had the same thought as those above which is closing City Hall and putting all those people in the Justice Center. I know from experience that space can be made when there is a need. I know the Justice Center wasn’t built to house more than the courts and the police but neither was our city expected to be in such a big deficit. Tough times call for tough measures. But I don’t see our Mayor coming up with any of those ideas. He doesn’t have the insight to come up with the hard moves. And comparing him to Plante and Moran just because he has a CPA? Really? Are you really doing that?

    I didn’t vote to pass the HO and you can belittle me all you want but I figured we’d get more of the same. Guess I was right, huh?

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  63. Eddie

    If you don’t mind what news agency did you see that. The mayor did put in his plan a 10% reduction in police. The fire department is understaffed and eating through their over time budget at an alarming rate.

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  64. Private——Get off of this bashing of Janet.She never persuaded anyone to vote for that tax increase(that is what I call it) a rip off.She looked at the pros and cons of it.Leave our police and fire department out of all this ,we need them and start looking at other things that can get cut in this city and believe me there are a few.If you look at the crime going up in this city we need all of our police.We are becoming a small detroit and the south end is called the gheto, all the money we have spent on our properties and to have it in the middle of home that are ruined by fire and left that way,rentals that are not taken care of come on and all you do is complain about Janet .We need our police and fire department ALL OF THEM

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  65. Crazy Legs,

    Before you post, you ought to do some research and try and put together a factual statement. You don’t know what the deputy treasurer and parks & rec deputy do, so how can you summarily dismiss them as unimportant? Do you work in either of those departments? Are you aware of the functions that must be performed? The treasurer’s office is responsible for far more than just collecting taxes. All of the banking and investment functions for the city come out of that department. In addition they are part of the city’s two pension funds. It is far more complex than you realize.

    The fire and police departments don’t have deputies? Why do you say that? They may not be called deputies, but they do have subordinate supervisory positions which is what deputies are. Some departments may not need a deputy; others do. To cut deputy positions across the board without considering what each position does is foolish.

    I agree with Anon 2. What does meeting either of the deputies have to do with whether or not they should be retained as part of the city’s orginizational structure?
    However, I would wager that you have met them and have a personal ax to grind. I base that on the way you zero in these two positions without providing any cogent information as the basis for your rant.

    Everyone who posts on this blog has an opinion about city government. That’s good because it is part of the democratic process. However, opinions stated without the benefit of the facts don’t do much to further the discussion.

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  66. The Fire Department has a Deputy Chief. He is temporary until they have the official test. Also going to have promotions for Fire Marshall and Fire Inspectors (2). They also have at least six (6) Captains. The Police only have one (1) captain and no Deputy Chief. They also have more members in the PD.

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  67. Crazy legs – you’re right. The police and fire do not have deputies. They have captains, lieutenants, shift supervisors and so on. Call them whatever you want. There is an abundance of supervsors in both of those departments. That information is available to the public. How do you know if the deputy positions can or cannot be justified? What data do you have that backs that statement? Have you done or seen a work flow study? Seems you have a personal issue with this topic. Again, educate yourself a bit, and it will benefit everyone. You never addressed how not meeting the “so called” deputy is relevant to the position you have taken. Your silence on that question leads me to believe that you realize there is no relevance.

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  68. Sorry you need a deputy treasure for the simple reason what if this treasure leaves. What happens if he god forbid was to get sick? You need someone who knows what is going on come on guys.

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  69. Thank you Lisa Mariel. You, Lisa Hicks Clayton and I do share the most common first name for females born in the 1960’s. No big conspiracy.

    The information that I have from council study sessions is not off the record in any way – just read the back-ups that are posted on the city website. If you have any financial or business background you can analyze the numbers. Additionally, I am able to tap into a wide network of nationwide professionals of police, fire and various government employees to ask questions about how various staffing levels are determined, and how things are done in their villages and towns. If I don’t understand something – I question it and share what I learn.

    Janet’s credentials were listed on her elections faceebook page – which is where I looked it up…notice I said looked it up….know why – because I don’t know her personally and therefore don’t know that much about her. But, I do think she is showing the most business accumen regarding the budget. I believe her bio as well as those of other council members are listed on the city website.

    I do not have an agenda or blind allegiance to anyone. But, I do care a lot about this community where I have chosen to put down roots and make my home.

    Now, can we get back to discussing the issues, and sharing info?

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  70. Formula, requirements, What the bleep are you talking about? I suppose the city of Taylor abides by these rules. Didn’t they layoff and close fire houses?
    You seem to know it all Lisa!

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  71. Yep. Lay off cops and reduce fire and watch the property values plummet. All you bright decision makers let me know what your house is worth in 5 years. Let me know how many new families move into your neighborhood with kids. No stable family would consider moving to this city that you incompetent city council slugs have destroyed. Keep being a tough guy Badalow and enjoy the trash that will be your next neighbor. You are my hero J-BAD……what a joke.

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  72. Neither the fire or police deparments have deputies….come to think of it no other departments have deputies. They were eliminated for a reason. You can’t justify deputies in parks and rec or the treasurer’s office.

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  73. Hey Crazy

    Did it occur to you that the treasurer’s office collects the money the city needs to operate? Good idea to reduce their staff so the city can collect less money on a timely basis. Well thought out plan!

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  74. First of all, I would think it is necessary to be kowledgeable of what duties are involved for the deputy in park/rec and treasurer’s office before you “surmize” that the rec director and treasurer are not able to perform their duties. Then I would think it would be important to see the difference between parks/rec and the treasurer’s office. I’m sure many people have never met the “so-called” deputy in parks and rec or the treasurer’s office. Not sure what the relevance is of not having met them to eliminating their positions. If you think both of these departments can do without a deputy then it would also seem you would want to reduce the supevisors in the police and fire departments. Further, using your logic, then the mayor doesn’t need an assistant either.

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  75. To Private:

    We passed the HO to keep the city afloat and without emergency management from the state. Even with HO there is a $ 910,000 deficit.

    Fire Departments have to have a specific level of staffing based on a formula that includes number of residents , number of calls and other factors. It’s not negotiable or subjective – it’s required. Police Departments have no such formula, so it’s very difficult to determine correct staffing requirements. Which is why I’m willing to consider the Platte and Moran report that says DH police dept. is 30% overstaffed. They are experts, and run these analysis for many cities and companies, and have reviewed each department. Since we paid them for their expert opinion – we should consider it. I want to have adequate police protection as well – but am open to all ideas to get the budget in-line.

    Citizens don’t want to see any service cut- and that is unrealistic, we do have to find a way to reduce the budget by nearly $1 million.

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  76. Real smart. Get rid of one third of our cops. Haven’t you noticed, Dearborn Heights is turning very dark. Us Pollocks and Dagos are moving away. What will you do when they come for you?

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  77. Great idea…..Let’s cut police but keep a deputy parks and rec director as well as a deputy treasurer. What are you thinking?We really need a deputy in the parks and rec department? We really need a deputy treasurer? What do they do that the director or treasurer can’t? I don’t think I’ve ever even met the so-called deputy treasurer. Is our treasurer not able to perform his duties on his own? Is the parks and rec department so busy that Ken Grybel needs a mini-Ken? Start using some common sense BAD-a low and cut the waste first!

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  78. My name is Lisa too. And it’s not me either. There are more than one Lisa in this city! Oh, Lisa Hicks -CLayton is in education. You would know that if you bothered to read her credentials when she ran for office.

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  79. Lisa or whatever your name is,

    You seem to sure know alot about Janet. No wonder your posts read the way that they do. You also seem to know an lot of what’s going on at the Council study sessions both on and off the record.

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  80. The whole city employment picture is heavy on bosses including the police department. You voted yes on the HO so the Mayor could keep and enjoy his heathcare benefits mostly free of charge. I voted to fix the sewer system and the streets within the city. That is not going to happen either. Face it once again the taxpayer is being screwed.

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  81. I agree cut his health care alot of us dont even have one. We need our police officers more than him have health care.They live in danger taking care of us and our city.

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  82. Janet likes to hear herself talk….with the economy and crime on the rise I do not want to see our police cut any further…thought that is why we voted on the H.O.
    I would like to know why council passed the fire department contract which states that they will have promotions, staffing levels and minimum manpower requirements. At each fire station why do we need a Capt., Lt., 2 pump operators and 1 firefighter on duty everyday. Talk about heavy on bosses. Maybe Janet should not vote on the fire contracts since she has family working for them.

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  83. Hey Lips,
    Yes Earl has ideas.
    Lets start with Ken Baron’s Health Care being cut. This is an expense this city does not need. Let the business man pay his own way. He sure doesn’t give his flowers away for nothing.
    Next, lets go to a paid on-call Fire Department. We would only need a few full timers. Right now we pay millions for firemen to sit around, watch TV and sleep. They could be called in from their homes when needed. Larger cities than D.H. have been doing this successfully for years. Troy and Novi just to name a few. It works. Check it out. The savings would be huge! We could keep the senior centers open and pay for everything else with the savings.

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  84. I was happy to read something good about Janet I am tired of some of the off colours thoughts about her and comments. I do not think that this blog was meant for this.I am very proud to have her as one of council members at least she speaks out and she is not 2 faced. SHE IS NOT A YES MAN.What you see is what you get.She is not out there to please everyone she is there to help us and she is doing her best.The problem with some people is that she is young and I guess to some of us she is not capable well I have news for all of you move over and let the young ones in we need to move on and let her do what she can do best,we cant always agree but lets be polite. Thank you

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  85. I am not Lisa Hicks Clayton. We just happen to have the same first name. You should allow her to stand on her own and make your judgement of her performance based on her abilities – not erroneous conclusions on your part.

    To answer your other question: Janet Badalow received her finance degree from Wayne State.

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  86. Lisa,

    Are you the same Lisa that’s about to take office?

    I wouldn’t brag about your FOMOCO financial background. After all the Mayor was a CPA there. No wonder my Ford stock is under $10 and the city is broke. Thanks!
    Q. Where did your buddy Janet get her finanacial training?
    A. Her kitchen on S. Gulley.

    Sounds like more of the same. A Council without a clue!
    I had high hopes that a new member would be different. FAT CHANCE!!!!!

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  87. Only the court and police house the Justice Center. There was never a plan for city hall or any other building to occupy any of those offices. Although, it would not be a bad idea that if there were vacancies, to move city hall there.

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  88. Hey Earl, Janet knows about all those details. What you don’t see is that she has been standing up for us (the citizens) and doing her best. Maybe you have some issues, maybe with women who stand up for what they believe in, or stand up and do the job she was hired/elected to do. She came to the table with a plan, she didn’t just show up to complain about any plan offered. She is doing her job. Just because you don’t see the other council members standing up with a plan doesn’t mean she is wrong. She was prepared. If you have any history with the council meetings, you would see this. I WANT her to be angry, I WANT her to stand up to the powers that be, she is doing what i eleted her for.
    By the way, Earl, got any ideas yourself?

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  89. The reason that J. Badlow’s proposal contained personnel cuts for police dept. was that when Platte and Moran audited the city, they advised that the police dept is 30% overstaffed. The common term in corporate America is “right sized” if cuts are to be made, we need to cut where it makes sense. If we can have a competent police department with 30% fewer employees than it makes sense to request that that specific department be downsized. Not an easy suggestion for anyone to make. It’s never politically correct to reduce police or fire personnel – but we didn’t vote any city council member to just play it safe and ensure their position in the next election – we invited them to think critically and run the city. True, the union contract complicates such an action – but again, we didn’t hire anyone to offer up easy answers.

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  90. Janet is one of the few council members that speaks out,she cares and is tring to come to some solution,maybe you should bring your thoughts to the table next council meeting. No she is not angry she is a mature adult that cares about this city.

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  91. When the Justice Center was built, I just assumed that it would house City Hall and the Police Department.

    What percent of the Justice Center is still vacant?

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  92. Sorry did I miss something didn’t the mayor have a 10% cut in the police officers. Didn’t the Mayor all so put 10% cut in salary he’s expecting he will be getting from that union. Personally I do not think he will get it. Several officers I’ve talked with said they’ve given everything they are willing to give. The police contract has been opened back up on several occasions. Not by the council by the administration who keep coming back for more. I like this explanation the best. Let’s say your friend needs money he ask you for $10 and say’s that’s all I need. A week later he say’s no I need $5 more, and than the next week say’s oh sorry I really need $25. That is what this administration has done with the police unions. Just ask for $30 and settle for the $25 you need why all the games. The police that work in this city are not blind they see what is going on. They just got tired of you coming back to take another bite at the apple. I all so beleive he knows that, that is why for months he’s been saying the administration is still negotiating it. There is far more than just the police officers in the ideas councilwoman Badalow brought to the table. I sure did not see anyone else with any ideas. Like I said it’s a starting point if they really want to that is.

    If you have spent anytime over the past two or three years watching what has taken place. I think it’s about time that the council show some arrogance. They have been kicked around for two years now and say nothing. They’ve been treated as a bothersome relative by the Mayor. He has thumbed his nose at them over and over again. He has yelled at them on more than one occasion and if you want to talk about arrogance he has it by the buckets. All of that and the council took it and more with a smile on their faces. People and there are many are now blaming the council. These are the same people that steadfastly stood by the council. Now they are think the council’s the problem for never standing up to him.

    “Cmon mann” if you have some ideas why not put them up here. I know it’s not our job that’s what we elected the council and the Mayor for. Problem with that is they are beat up, or ignored when they do come up with something. Your comments just prove what the council deal’s with all the time.

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  93. Seriously, Badalows plan was a waste of breath. If you knew anything about collective bargaining, you would know that seniority is the guideline when effecting layoffs. Good show by the fine councilwoman also making some in attendance walk out of the session disgusted with her arrogant and argumentative demeanor. Good show bad-a-low!

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  94. Lisa

    I thought her plan was a great place to start her ideas I think are well thought out and put together. Considering she was the only one with something besides the “plan” from the mayor. Was a little dis appointed that the rest of council came to that meeting with nothing. This has been something in the works since September. Has there been any other meetings set up before the December 13 ccm?

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  95. For the few people who attended the study session the Mayor did explain his plan to increase court revenue by $200,000. He has advised the police department to write tickets throughout the month of December. Ordinarily, in the Christmas spriit police just issue warnings during December as sort of a Happy Holidays to citizens. But he has advised them to treat Dec 21 like Nov 21 or July 21…no goodwill this year. ( I may not have the exact words – but he did say this in the meeting)

    It was noted by the council, specifically J. Badlow that this “plan” does not guarantee revenue and that revenue from tickets has been declining in previous months.

    Really gracious – cancel the “goodwill” of the month so the politico in charge can make his finanical objectives. Doesn’t seem smart given that the citizens just showed a great deal of goodwill to pass the HO.

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  96. Earl,

    You are incorrect. I do know about labor relations and have the MSA in the field to prove it. Janet may not have recogonized the seniority issue in a few line items of her proposed plan. However, her plan is more robust than what Mayor Paletko proposed. I am a former financial auditor for Ford Motor Company and can tell you that the few “suggestions” (wthout back-up or a workable plan or timeline) that he presented were ridiculous.

    You appear to
    have an ax to grind and it is getting in the way of you seeing the big picture.

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  97. WELCOME TO DETROIT HEIGHTS PEOPLE THE MAYOR THE MESSED UP COUNCIL THE FLOODING AND THE BREAK-INS IN MY NEIGHBOR.SOUNDS AND LOOKS LIKE DETRIOT.

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  98. Janet’ s plan is a joke. Maybe Council persons and Council wannabees should take the time to learn about contracts and seniority rights. Any cuts to personnel start at the bottom. Last hired are the first to go! As usual Janet shoots off her mouth without knowing what she’s talking about.
    Hey Janet How about a real plan and not just your usual angry B.S. !

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  99. Who has been again at the mercy of flooding, lost days from work more than once this past month. Not the mayor,the man that does not pay taxes in this city but collects a nice fat check under the city of dearborn hts plus a car and all the bells and whisselsWho is going to clean the streets now not me I can’t aford the water bill.

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  100. Oh, please. Will anyone elected to my city council please stand up and throw something at these nut cases??? J Bad, I know you tried, but is there anyone who will stand with you and stop the craziness? Stop him/them from breaking the rules!! Someone HAS to stop this!! The citizens of this city do not deserve this treatment, and we can’t live with what “they” have done. Let the punishment fit the crime!

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  101. I can’t believe anyone would be surprised by this. Passing the HO gave the mayor free license to do as he pleases. All the save our city folks did was make us pay for fringe benefits that now cost the city almost 11 million dollars. The council could have reopened contracts and gotten rid of some of the healthcare costs by not agreeing to the opt out of Public Act 152. That would have enabled them to give money in wages back to employees with them paying the higher costs of healthcare. However the council never says no to the mayor on anything. I don’t think anyone on the council or in the administration has the financial smarts to get the city out of the crisis. Why does the city keep Plante and Moran . They should have issued a management letter about the financial crisis. They should be advising the city.

    Borrowing against a restricted fund is not allowed. A restricted fund is to be used for the restriction.

    I guess what you can say to the taxpayers … A fool and his money are soon parted.

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