We should not let Intimidation become a part of our Council Meetings.

When is it appropriate for anyone in attendance at a council meeting to over run that council meeting? NEVER! Dearborn Heights Chief of Police did not get the memo. Meetings are run by the council chair, and residents have the right to come to the podium and ask a question. Bob Hadous did just that at the 4-12-2011 city council meeting.

Councilman Baron is the Chair and Councilwoman Badalow is the time-keeper. Anyone who wants to talk to the council has three (3) minutes to do that.  Councilwoman Badalow starts the time when who ever is at the podium starts talking. If an answer is given to the resident the time is stopped, if someone on the council has a question for the person talking the time is stopped. If for any reason the person addressing the council is interrupted their time is stopped.  This is done so the 3 minutes are not used up by others asking or answering questions. Well the Chief decided he did not like what Mr. Hadous was asking the chief start telling him to sit down your time is up. Mr. Hadous told the Chief that he was not running the meeting that the Chair was and the Chair would be the one to tell him when his time was up. He also said that the Chief was out-of-order and he was. The Chief stood up adjusted his gun belt according to several people who were there and said “I am the Chief of police.” He has no authority in the council chambers and he does not have the right to walk towards anyone talking at the podium and asking questions. There is no reason to make a move towards someone in the council chambers except for the purpose of intimidating them.

The Chief of Police is an authority figure and most of us would be quite when he would tell us to during a meeting. When he said your three minutes are up most of us would have just sat down. Not everyone who talks at the council meeting knows that the Chief of Police the Mayor or any of the council members has the right to tell anyone to sit down.  What we all need to remember is that he (the chief) has no authority in the council chambers gun or no gun. He can not tell anyone of us what to do in that chamber.  That is the job of the council chair who should have told the Chief to sit down he should have said what Mr. Hadous said “you are out-of-order Chief Gavin.” Some who were in the chamber are asking just what was the chief going to do if he made it over to Mr. Hadous? Was he going to arrest Mr Hadous for not listening to him when he told him his three minutes were up? I hope this is the last time that intimidation is a part of the City Council Meetings.

This will be swept away just like every other thing is in this city never to be talked about or dealt with. Wrong doing is never addressed in the city. When the wrong is being done by the administration it is met with silence.

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27 thoughts on “We should not let Intimidation become a part of our Council Meetings.”

  1. His mission was to ask questions and get answers plain and simple. That is our right.Remeber we pay everyone in the city and we have the right to know what is going on.

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  2. Personal attacks should never be tolerated. From what I saw it was a two way street. The resident in question clearly had some sort of mission. Should the chief have gotten up? I don’t know. I do think it is too early to say that the citizen is in the right and the mayor is all in the wrong. I do not think the citizen was serving anyone other than himself.

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  3. Anonymous

    If you sit in the council chambers and see what she is doing during the meeting half of what she does is not shown on camera.. I am so happy that someone has noticed this I was shocked one time when she had a magazine in her lap and you could hear the pages turning during the meeting.

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  4. This city has been a joke long before the abdel-hak’s became involved. Having the same people voted in over and over, without change, causes the problems. same people, same ideas. same crap. how can anyone expect anything different? it’s just getting worse, cause the same ideas, and recycled crap doesn’t work in this bad economy.
    There is your joke.
    I grew up in dearborn and never heard of the abdel-haks.
    Ken Baron doesn’t side with anyone, he is afraid it might effect his business. Then again maybe it already has.
    There are alot of things i would like to stop, one of them being the lies that this administration has told us, and the cover ups. Not to mention the financial bleeding of our city.

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  5. Who Miss Doodles? She doesn’t bother to listen to have the meeting, just doodles! always looks like she is writing something, but i have been told by a few council members that she is an aspiring artist! Ha!Ha!
    Not to mention her re pore with the citizens is awful.
    I find her rude, obnoxious, and thinks of herself as better than everyone.

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  6. I think if Ken Baron is not going to give everybody their 3 minutes then he ought to resign as chair. I don’t care if you like what someone is saying or not. If he wants to be a yes man for the Mayor he can step down. We have enough of those people in office. That man speaking at the council meeting was interupted by the Cheif of police bullying him. The chief was out of order the mayor was out of order and all Ken Baron could say was your three minutes are up. I don’t call that leadership. We elected Ken Baron and the Mayor and they can’t give you 3 minutes to speak your mind. That is the LAW . So we know who don’t have to follow the law now don’t we.

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  7. No not her she is too tired all the time.A councilperson does make fun of someone when they say something that she does not agree with. She roles her eyes and smurks,this time she came in has not been good for her I think she must have other things on her mind. We do have 2 persons on there that need to come forward,but of course who am I just another dearborn hts resident for 40 yrs.

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  8. So, we can all sit back and say, wow, what are they trying to say against the mayor now? Well, my friends, look closely. IF you will check facts, you will see that our mayor, his pocket attorney, and now his pocket police have shown you what you will and will not do, or say. They cannot be questioned, they cannot be put on the spot for truthful answers. If they choose not to answer, they don’t. If someone pushes the envelope, they take away your rights, freedon of speech for one, and if you continue to try to get the truth, you will be shown “who’s the boss here”…how do you like knowing that your tax dollars are being spent to pay people who do not have your best interests at heart? I don’t like it. I want to know who is suing my city, who has won and who has lost, and who has caused the event. I want to know who screwed up and cost the city more money, who is making the decisions that resulted in losses to my city. I want the people who are paid by my tax dollars to be polite and respectful to me, as I am to them.
    We have a long way to go, lots to do to clean up the mess we allowed to happen, and we have to stay on top of things.

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  9. You have some people who attended the last meetin of city council, then you have those who watched it on tv. They seem to be uniform in their understanding of what went on. Then we have the talkers, the ones wearing the blinders, haven’t even seen a council meeting, or if they had, must have been doing other things while catching snippets of the meeting.
    I can tell you this: The three minutes stand as a rule, council made it a rule. Several times I can remember the mayor or others trying to stop citizens from finishing their thoughts, and most of the time they succeed. Even if we don’t agree with the citizen speaking, they still deserve the pre-arranged three minutes. I have seen council and mayor ignore the speaker till the time runs out then go on to someone else or adjourn.
    My personal feeling about the last meeting is that there is history between Mr Hadous, Mr Abel-Hak, and the mayor. These are people who helped the mayor get in his position. When they question the mayor, he looks down on them and doesn’t have an ounce of respect for them. After all, he sure fooled them, didn’t he? Those citizens have done a lot for the city, more than you will ever hear of, their dedication to our city is quite obvious. They are speaking for us, they are checking the facts for us, they are paying for FOIA reports, for us. I personally thank them for standing up and putting themselves on the line, after all, I have seen first hand the retribution that can come for crossing the mayor or his compadres.
    The Hadous’ and Abdel-Hak’s are not complaining about the rediculous and abusive treatment they have and are receiving, they continue to try to do the right thing for the city and citizens.
    As you read or write on this blog, also realize that it is set up by a citizen who wants to alert the other citizens to the rights and wrongdoings in our city. She has also felt the lies and wrath of the administration. If you will ask questions instead of immediately critcizing people and situations that you obviously know nothing about, and listen, you may be surprised. No, re-phrase that, you might be surprised if you remove your blinders to see the truth.

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  10. Anxious,

    Maybe Agius would do a good job, but that would be the only person that I would vote into office. Look at the way the rest of them act…it is comical!

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  11. Bedema

    While we are on the subject of Dearborn and my husband disrupting the Dearborn city council meetings. Well through FOIA my husband got the plans for the sewage system that the Mayor at that time said was only going to cost 80,000.00 to 90,000.00 my husband study the plans and went before the council and told them that they were dreaming that the project was going to cost at least 200 million. The Mayor told him you do not know what you are talking about. Years later what is the sewage system project at right now over 320 million dollars and counting. That not enough for you how about the civic center in Dearborn that was only suppose to cost 23 million 11 cents a day as the Mayor at that time purposed it. He went before the council on that one after FOIA request for the plans and studying the plans he told them that it would cost at least 45 million dollars. How much did it end up costing close to 45 Million as he said. The Mayor told him that again he did not know what he was talking about. Now Dearborn is sitting on 20 million dollar deficit because no one wanted to listen. Wait there is more what about the paid parking in West Dearborn spoke out about that saying that the city should not spend that money on that 14 million of taxpayer money spent on that. They loss every year business and money because of that structure and the business on the West end of Dearborn Hate it. It has not produced and profit for the city of Dearborn.
    If you call not wanting the city that you pay property taxes in to waste your money disrupting the council meetings well good for you. We pay over 28,000.00 a year to the city of Dearborn in property tax I have every right to question the bull shit projects that my and everyone else money was wasted on. If you do not want to know how the city is spending your money that is your right, but do not expect me and others to give up our right to question what they are doing. It is the duty of every citizen of this country to question what their elected officials are doing. If we want to make sure that this Mayor does not waste money like we saw happen in Dearborn that is our right. I do not want a Financial Manager in my city maybe you do. The only power you have is the FOIA request to monitor what your city government is doing.

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  12. Wow how ugly this is becoming!!!!This blog was started so that we would see the truth and hear it now it is beeing used to fling mud at the person who started this .Please listen to the meetings and read the papers with an open mind and don’t make false accusations just look at the reality of all that is going on in the city and clear your mind of the anger that you have with certain people.You are not helping the city this way. Open your mind up and then you may see things in another way. I am replying to Bedema”s comment

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  13. What are you talking about attack he told the residents that the case was over and how much it was going to cost us.. Oh let me guess that does not matter to you. What order not to speak? He (The Mayor) had no problem talking to the Press and Guide did he about how the insurance is making the deal against his wishes. The Mayor made sure to talk to the papers long ago look it up for yourself and you will see. Councilwoman Badalow does just fine on the time keeping when the 3 min is up that’s it. His was not up yet I asked he had about 5 sec left when the chief decided to do what he did. Call and find out if you would like I did because I wanted to make sure from the person keeping the time.
    When it is convent for the Mayor he hides behind litigation has been doing that for the past 2 years and it works. When it is in his best interest to violate a rule or an order he does in a heart beat.

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  14. But come on- how brave is it for Mr Zouher to attack the mayor about details of the Jamaal case when the mayor is under judge’s order not to speak about it. Looks just like a cheap shot to most of us.

    And as for the three minutes- Mr Hadous’s total talking time, himself, was over the three minutes. That three minute rule is almost never enforced.

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  15. Bedema——What do you mean by you and your people ? we are all the residents of Dearborn hts., and we have the right to speak (freedom of speech].without being shot down by the police at a council meeting. So please be polite to us who feel they need to speak up. We are tax payers here and the last I looked at the laws here we still are allowed to speak freedom of speech. So please explain yourself

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  16. We never lived in Dearborn we own a business there you have no idea what we went through in Dearborn how many times the police of Dearborn broke our windows on our business there. A former police officer admitted this to us and apologized to us for this 17,000.00 dollars worth of repairs. He admitted this to us two years after the Mayor of Dearborn died. What we fought for in Dearborn was our rights nothing else we fought to get a certificate of occupancy with out having to pay a bribe to get it. We were asked to pay $5,000.00 to the previous Mayors campaign to get this and we did not have one violation because we refused to pay we had to take them to court and won our case. More than one case for that matter all because we would not pay. I will fight for the right thing and that is what we did there get the facts before you want to talk about something. Just look at the building and safety department in that city and how many people have been arrested and indited for what went on in that department. We will fight for our right no matter where we go.
    As for intimidation having an armed person stand up and walk towards someone who is talking to the council and telling that person to sit down their 3 minutes is up. That person was a person of authority he is the chief of police in the city. That is far different from My husband or anyone else for that matter asking some questions that the Mayor may find not to his liking. Even when council members have asked the same questions this Mayor yells, shouts points his finger to shuts them up. I am sure you do not consider that a form of intimidation from the Mayor towards the council. Further more the only thing the Mayor want is for everyone just to shut up an not question a dam thing he is doing in this city. Well people have the right to ask questions and it does not matter if the Mayor likes us or not we live here. If you bothered to watch the council meeting it is clear that Ken Baron does not have our side watch it and listen to what he is saying at the end of the meeting. You have the right to your opinion and so do we and we will not allow anyone to intimidate us we lived far to long letting that happen to us and we will not sit by and let it happen to us all over again. We pay taxes here in the city while the Mayor of this city rents.

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  17. private, you need to check your info. start reading the local paper.
    westland is doing so so, compared to us. Recently the mayor of westland was invited to the white house, an invite from the president. He was recognized for turning things around in that city. not to mention their recycling program is way better than ours, and the incentives to participate.
    Dearborn is better off, cause the mayor has taken a pay cut along with his employees.
    When you have to borrow money to pay your bills, it’s still a deficit, even if it’s not put on the books. It’s still being in the red. I”m not an Enron accountant or anything, but I certainly know that alot of accounts don’t
    put in the books, so everything looks good. It’s fuzzy accounting. We borrowed money, it was in the last meeting. watch the meeting, and they will say how much.

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  18. Yes I do think that there is someone from the council can do a much better job as a matter of fact 2 members can. There is a defecit in this city and if you would listen to the meetings you would know that too.

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  19. Wow Kathy, how dare you talk about intimidation.Every time your husband or Mr. Hadous speaks at a council meeting it is to intimidate the mayor and who ever else supports him. Last year several residents spoke at a council meeting on how they wanted this to stop. It looks like you have Ken Baron on your side because there is no way he should allow what your people are allowed to do. You and your people are making our council meetings a joke and it needs to stop now!!! Having grown up in Dearborn I still have many friends who live there. They have told me that when you lived in Dearborn and went to their council meetings you disrupted those meetings also. Give it a break!!

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  20. Indeed there is a deficit. I don’t know where you get your information from. It had been stated at council meetings and has been in the paper!

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  21. Anxious,

    Do you really think anyone on the council would do a better job then the Mayor? Look at the surrounding cities Dearborn, Garden City, Inkster, Westland and Livonia just to name a few. We are in great shape and do not have the deficit that is reported by many of our bloggers.

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  22. Wow!!! I am in utter dismay that someone would attempt to stifle a tax payer of their democratic rights! I want to commend you Kathy for sheding light on this story and may we all unite as a community ensuring that no one stifles our freedom of speech!

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  23. The mayor has made this a police city and of course so has his own group of followers.Why has not anyone seen this a long time ago ?No one is allowed to question him about anything dealing with him or the city.he rules !!!!! Get out of this city while you still can as it is not going to get better as long as this person is the mayor . We need to stand together and change things.Please council members it is up to you to try to change this attitude of the mayor and all those who are in his back pocket and you all know who you are. It has been a sad day when we are told what to do sit or stand or shut up at a council meeting by the police

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